ELIZABETH from USA ( STRAWBEERIES@IVILLAGE.COM
) left the following message:
Peter Ged from Australia ( petertalk@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
Rightly or wrongly what cannot be denied is that at the time Elgin acquired
the marbles Greek was part of the Ottoman empire. Greeks may not like it, but
it is - perhaps sadly - a fact.
At the end of the day what also cannot be denied is that Lord Elgin actually
paid money to the government of the day for the marbles.
They were bought not looted.
Later generations may regret the deal; but regret does not alter its reality.
It is interesting to note that the Greek government is finally stating that
it is prepared to actually acknowledge that Greece does NOT own the marbles,
so long as they are returned for the Olympics.
If this is the case then decades of steadfast claims as to ownership amount
to little more than an attempt to acquire through deception something that
belongs to another.
Nicolas G. Sakellis from United States ( nsakellis@worldnet.att.net
) left the following message:
Fortunately, not everyone is as easily prepared as Mr. Peter Ged of Australia
to gloss over the reality of what was the Ottoman occupation of Greece and the
struggle of the Greek people to break free of that foreign domination.
I strongly suspect Mr. Ged and those who think like him would be singing
quite a different tune if, for example, the Nazi's had succeeded in occupying
England during the Second World War and circumstances had brought a "cash
buyer" together with a local party official willing to look the other way
over a similarly convenient exchange over some similarly significant cultural
monument.
My point being that, notwithstanding whatever convenient technical legalities
one might care to attach to such an event, it would never be anything other
than morally wrong.
The "government of the day", as Mr. Ged put it, can hardly be said to have
acted on behalf of the Greek people whose cultural heritage was being sold
off and carted away at the authority of their foreign overlords.
It was fundamentally wrong Mr. Ged, and thankfully there is an ever growing
number of people from all over the world who are embracing the return of the
Parthenon Marbles to Athens where they belong.
Even the modern Turkish state supports their return.
It is the right thing to do Mr. Ged, and there is nothing you or anyone else
like you can say which will ever change that no matter how much you might
try.
In a world full of injustices, we can each either let them linger as the
open wounds they are or do something positive in the hope of leaving this
world just slightly better than it was left to us.
On that point, I applaud the efforts of your own countrymen during the last
Olympics to attempt to heal some of the cultural wounds within your own borders
as among your own people--a noble gesture which was not missed by the rest
of the world.
Hopefully the powers that be will likewise rise to the occassion at the upcoming
Olympics in Athens to restore the Parthenon Marbles to their rightful place
on the Acropolis as part of the single inspired vision of their creators.
It is the right thing to do--and most of the world, if not you Mr. Ged, already
knows that.
was not
as, is, and always will be morally wrong.
at the time was wrong
Diana Lewis-Pullan. from Aotearoa/New Zealand. ( dianalp@paradise.net.nz
) left the following message:
Dear Greece, as a New-Zealander of British ancestory I can only apologise for
the arrogance of the British Govt. Of course the Parthenon Marbles belong to
their legitimate owners, the people of Greece. I can't believe the British Govt.
expect any right-minded person to accecpt any of their stated reasons for not
returning the Marbles. It is essential that every nation protects its own cultural
heritage and for this reason alone the Marbles should be returned. That they
were illegitimately gained adds insult to injury. My 9 year old son and 7 year
old grand-daughter and I cried when we read what damage had been done by Elgin
and his cohorts. To The British Govt. You have neither any legal or moral entitlement
to the Marbles, GIVE THEM BACK. It is the only way you can again stand tall.
Yours etc, Diana Lewis-Pullan.
Στρατής Γεωργίου, ετών 13 from ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ( -
) left the following message:
Και ποιος δεν θα ήθελε την επιστροφή των μαρμάρων στην γεννέτηρά τους πλην του
Βρετανικού μουσείου και της Αγγλικής Κυβέρνησης, γιατί θα χάσουν το μισό εισόδημα
που εισπράτουν ετησίος από τον τουρισμό. Οι μισοί τουρήστες που "επισκέπτονται"
το Λονδίνο, δεν θέλουν να δούν την πόλη με τα άθλια νερά του Τάμεση, ούτε να
γίνουν παπί από τις βροχές που είναι καθημερινό φαινόμενο, αλλά να δουν τα μάρμαρα
του Παρθενώνα. Επίσης θα ήθελα να συγχαρώ ιδιετέρως την Βουλή των Λόρδων ( ο
Θεός να την κάνει Βουλή ) που λέει ότι, μόλις θα πάρουμε τα μάρμαρα θα αρχίσουμε
πάλι εχθροπραξίες με τους Τούρκους ( καλύτεροι σε αυτήν την περίπτωση ) και
θα τα καταστρέψουμε, ενώ στα περισσότερα γλυπτά το κεφάλι έχει καταστραφεί,
καθως ο αυτο-θεωρούμενος φιλέλλην Λόρδος ( Πόρδος) Έλγιν έβαζε Τούρκους να πετούν
τα γλυπτά από το λόφο της Ακρόπολης και στο ταξίδι προς την Βρετανία ένα από
τα πλοία βυθίστηκε και έκαναν καιρό να το ανελκήσουν!!! Επίσης οι Άγγλοι δεν
αξιώθηκαν να διαβάσουν στην Ελληνική Ιστορία, ότι η επανάσταση έγινε για να
απελευθερώσουμε την πατρίδα μας, όχι να την επεκτήνουμε όπως έκαναν εκοίνοι
για αιώνες. Έτσι και δεν λάβει μέτρα η κυβέρνηση, πρέπει να πάρουμε εμείς.
Nakis Th. Antoniou from Cyprus ( antoniou@commercial-union.com.cy
) left the following message:
Ο Παρθενώνας ήταν, είναι και θα είναι ελληνικός. Ο κάθε κλέφτης που παίρνει
κάτι, είναι υπόχρεος να το επιστρέφει και να τιμωρείται. Ερωτώ, εαν κάποιος
έπαιρνε κάτι από το Παλάτι του Λονδίνου, τι θα έκαναν οι Άγγλοι?
Laura from England ( L.Mason@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
hum! Most of this website seems to be about Britain/Greece bashing.Many of you
dont seem to know your history either, a. Elgin did not purchase the marbles
he was granted a letter of authority by the Ottoman government to remove them.
b. The British government bought them from him ten years later under the understanding
that he had obtained them legally with the permission of the, then government.
c. Its not just the British museum which has part of the artifacts that were
removed, its just that its display is the most prodominant, many other articles
are in other European museums. d. The remainder of the artifact are in the basement
of the museum in Athens, why isn't anyone asking why they are not on display?
I think that it is important that we respect a countrys rights to its cultural
property but racist statements are not going to help, neither is not knowing
what your talking about before you start
AFM from ESPAΡA ( FM209@coajaen.org
) left the following message:
ESPEREMOS QUE REALMENTE CCONSIGAN EL RETORNO DE LOS MΑRMOLES A GRECIA, DE DΣNDE
NO DEBIERON SALIR NUNCA.
Στέλιος Κρητικός from ΕΛΛΑΔΑ. ( stelios71@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
Σας χαιρετώ! Θέλω να το ........βροντοφωνάξω ..είμαι ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ και νοιώθω αυτό
το ωραίο (βάρος) του να είσαι ενα κομμάτι αυτής της ΥΠΕΡΟΧΗΣ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑΣ και ΠΟΛΙΤΙΣΜΟΥ!
Εγώ σαν μονάδα δεν έχω παρα να επικροτήσω τη προσπάθεια σας αυτή , η οποία το
ξέρω ότι θα αποδώσει τα μέγιστα! ΣΥΝΕΧΙΣΤΕ ΠΑΡΑΚΑΛΩ , ΚΑΝΤΕ ΤΟ ΓΙΑ ΟΛΟΥΣ ΕΜΑΣ
ΟΙ ΟΠΟΙΟΙ ΞΕΧΩΡΙΖΟΥΜΕ ΣΑΝ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΣΤΗ ΨΥΧΗ ΚΑΙ ΣΤΟ ΠΝΕΥΜΑ......!!
Nikolaos Charisiou from Greece ( Nikolaos
Charisiou ) left the following message:
Congratulations for your efforts. I strongly beleive the parthenon marbles should
be returned to greece unconditionaly. iI suggest you publish the exact results
of opinion polls you have conducted in the UK and any other countries. Also,
demand that the British government and museum publish the number of emails,
letters, etc., they receive for and against the return of the marbles. I am
certain the overwelming majority will be in favour. In addition, publish all
international efforts made by prestigious bodies (such as the letter to the
British Government send by 100 Belgian MP's) and make liks available to their
sites. Finally i would personally be gratefull (as i am sure will be the entire
Greek nation and all free thinking people of this world) if you intensified
and accelerated your efforts so as to manage the return of the marbles before
the start of the Olympic games in 2004. thank you.
MYRTΩ from EΛΛΑΔΑ ( www.pan-gian@.gr
) left the following message:
ΟΛΟΙ ΛΥΠΟΜΑΣΤΕ ΓΙΑΤΙ ΕΝΑ ΜΕΡΟΣ ΑΠΟ ΤΑ ΣΗΜΑΝΤΙΚΟΤΕΡΟ ΜΝΗΜΕΙΟ ΤΟΥ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΣΜΟΥ ΒΡΙΣΚΕΤΑΙ
ΜΑΚΡΙΑ ΑΠΟ ΤΗ ΜΗΤΕΡΑ ΤΟΥ (ΕΠΕΙΔΗ ΤΟΥ ΤΟ ΕΠΕΒΑΛΑΝ ΚΑΠΟΙΟΙ ΟΠΩΣ Ο ΕΛΓΙΝ) ΜΕΣΑ
ΣΕ ΕΝΑ ΞΕΡΟ ΜΟΥΣΕΙΟ ΜΑΚΡΙΑ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΝ ΗΛΙΟΛΟΥΣΤΟ ΑΤΤΙΚΟ ΟΥΡΑΝΟ
Van der Eecken Erick from Belgium ( skierick@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
I hope the marbles can go back to Athens as soon as possible.
John from USA ( jgikas13@bellsouth.net
) left the following message:
There have been injustices in the past against Greece, but we must understand
that, in order to get the Marbles back, Greece must appeal to the good side
of the British people, not aggrevate or put them on the spot. Civility above
all. Morality is on the Greek side, and you can say anything you please about
Elgin but the British have possession of the Marbles. That's a mere fact. Public
opinion in Britain, however, is on the Greek side. Therefore, the Greek efforts
must aim at mobilizing both the Greeks and the British. The efforts must be
concerted. Anything else is a waste of time and has the opposite effect. Also,
the 2004 Olympics is the ultimate reason for a sober appeal to Britain for the
return of the Marbles in Athens. However, good feelings must prevail throughout
the appeal, and Greece must remain sober regardless of the outcome. And the
efforts must continue after the 2004 Games if the return does not materialize
before then. By the way, appeals for Marbles are good, but Greeks must take
a special interest in changing the face of their country as well. We all must
work together to make Greece a modern nation with a high growth potential, a
european income for its people, and a culture that other nations want to imitate.
That's the only way to gain the respect of the large nations. Hard work and
continuous change. And then we could built a second Acropolis.....could we?
Anthony Marinos from Australia ( amarinos@optusnet.com.au
) left the following message:
Despite the controversy surrounding the acquisition of The Parthenon Marbles,there
can only be one natural recourse and that is the honourable return to their
homeland for it would indeed be viewed as an honourable and just gesture.For
a country and former empire to dismis this is counter productive for popular
international opinion and the popular public opinion of the British people is
against this obstinant stand.What has happened,rightly or wrongly is in the
past.With a return of the marbles or at least a gesture of good faith there
can only be a richer future for all concerned.
Christis from Cyprus ( glcyprus@logos.cy.net
) left the following message:
RETURN THE MARBLES WHERE THEY BELONG. THEY BELONG TO GREECE AND NOT TO THE BRITISH
MUSEUM.
Esceptico from Spain ( n.a. ) left
the following message:
Catalan documents of Catalan local Government (Generalitat de Catalunya) were
moved after the Civil War (1936-1939) to Salamanca (by the victors). For Salamanca's
people is now a question of local pride not to return the documents back to
their rightful owners, and there have been several demostrations against this.
They won the War, and they, therefore, deserve to keep the documents. I think
that the marble's issue is more o less the same. They'll never go back to Athens.
Sorry, guys, life is life.
Jane Ressos-Mouzakitis from Greece ( ganegr@otenet.gr
) left the following message:
As a Greek-American I am appalled that the Parthenon Marbles have still not
been returned to their rightful home. Your site is the most informative site
on the web and I congratulate you. I have many friends visiting from the States
and spend a good deal of time in the museums of Greece and it hurts me not to
be able to see the Marbles in their rightful place. Keep up the pressure on
England!! Thank you for your wonderful site. Jane Ressos-Mouzakitis
Danielle Cutcliffe from England ( danielle.cutcliffe@genie.co.uk
) left the following message:
You could put them in a similar position as to what the Greeks are in (because
the Greeks need the elgin marbles for the Olympics and they like the Olympics
and other people wouldn't like it if something they possessed that they really
like was taken by another country which caused for them to not be able to do
something they enjoyed)
Lord Byron's countryman from UK ( tropssap17@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
This message will be censored, as you are totally biased. This alone rules you
out of any civilised discussion. If we are to allow any country to set aside
historical fact on the basis that it was occupied by a "foreign" power, much
of the historical events in America and China, to name two of the largest powers,
could be set aside. You are trying to put the chicken back in the egg, and say
it never happened. The Turks ran Greece for hundreds of years, and this is how
they ran the country. Maybe it was not in accordance with best legal practice
in 2000, but it was at the time.
Stop whingeing and get on with your lives. Athens is a polluted nightmare.
Stop it and restore what you have there, and the treasures you are destroying.
Why am I typing something which you will wipe immediately? Because the act
of wiping it may make you realise how biased you are.
You were philosophers and heroes. Now you sit in your polluted cities and
whinge. I am not impressed at what you have become.
Aikaterini Panagiotakis from USA ( panagiotakis5@aol.com
) left the following message:
Anyone who has anything bad to say about the Greeks or Greece, is still by ancient
terms a barbarian.
Greece has made ways of life for this world. We as Greeks have taken life
to a point where it is harmonious and happy. And we still live our lives this
way.
The rest of the world has taken our ideas and corrupted them. Our modern
day life is no better than the way people used to live.
Go to the Greek villages. Only us Greeks know this secret to make life paradise.
apostolos from greece ( tolisketos@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
Ama thelete na summetasxete stous olumpiakous tis athinas dwste mas ta marmara
pisw, eksalou oute kan gnwrizete thn istoria tous,oute to brettaniko kleptapodoxio
ta suntirei swsta.
Matt Berry from England ( matt.berry2@ntlworld.com
) left the following message:
I fully support the return of the marbles to the place where they belong, Greece.
There is nothing more to say because there is no argument in my mind, they belong
in Greece and should be given back, simple!
jessica dixon from UK ( jessica-dixon@ntlworld.com
) left the following message:
I belive the Parthenon Marbles should be given back so that all the new people
can see that they exist. How well they have been treated, because they said
that they will build a temple and put them in and teach the children about them.
Manuel Silva from Portugal ( m.fialhosilva@netcabo.pt
) left the following message:
I would like to make a question to all briton folk that belive that the Partenon
Marbles sould stay in the British Museum:
If Hitler had invaded the UK and had sent the Jewels of the crown to Berlin
would you like to see them in a German Museum with 10.000 visitors per year?
Even if the Queen had given them to Hitler to save her life would you agree
with that decision?
In another more likely version of history, if the Tower of London was burning
in fire and the UK in anarchy and Caos, imagine that the US government took
the jewels to Washigton to protect them, Would the British folk agree to have
they're symbolic jewels in another country in safe protection? For three hundred
years?
I think that these questions are self explanatory.
Return the Marbles to the greek people!!
Chris Kasta from UK ( cck90@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
Its a disgrace that any british person thinks we have any the right to keep
the elgin marbles in a museum in London.
Firstly, Lord Elgin was nothing more than a thief, who pillaged and raped
the parthenon of its treasures. New Labour say they wont return the marbles,
why ?
They belong in Athens, they are of greek ownership and should be returned
to the place they belong, and had belonged, long before any turkish / british
interference.
Return them to the people of Athens and greece, so that they may be enjoyed
and viewed on the ancient site of Athens, by the poeple who visit it for real
!
Nicoletta Lageoles from USA ( n/a
) left the following message:
I just returned from Greece and, of course, visted the Parthenon. The Parthenon
Marbles should be returned to their rightful home -- Greece. For those who are
concerned about the serious pollution problem in Athens, I read in the Greek
newspapers that the Marbles will be housed in a museum with appropriate climate
conditions. They will be in good hands with the Greeks who are the rightful
caretakers of the Marbles on behalf of the world.
MARIA from GREECE ( alezidou@mycosmos.gr
) left the following message:
Τελεία και παύλα. Πρέπει να γυρίσουν εκεί που ανήκουν. Δηλ.: Στην Ελλάδα.
Sotiris from UK ( none@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
Dear Sir/Madam,
My name is Sotiris and I am a PhD student at Queen Mary University of London.
As a Greek citizen it is my opinion that the Parthenon marbles should be returned
to Greece. They were taken in order to be protected from the Turks, therefore
they must now be returned. I realize that there are certain politics involved
in the whole situation but I would like to think that the two sides will come
to an agreement, especially when the majority of the British public supports
the whole idea.
Yours sincerely, Sotiris
ioanna mingou from greece & uk ( joan510@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
I just want to declare my support on the effort of returning the marbles of
the parthenon back to Greece. My own personal research on the subject has made
me feel more greek and proud than ever for my country and its history.
Evi (Evelina) M from Greece ( EvelinaM@in.gr
) left the following message:
This is a message for all those who disagree with the return of the murbles
:if you have time, please go and read carefully Melina Mercouri's speech in
Oxford Union. She explained the reasons for the greek claim better than anyone
else (I think). And please underline the argument that the parthenon marbles
are INTEGRAL PARTS OF A UNIQUE MONUMENT which is located in Athens so any fears
for any future claims of particular artefacts are at least unreasonable. However,
I don't approve of the way some people express themselves in here... The Britons
are a friendly nation and have always been respectful to foreign cultures. Besides,
the very first suggestions concerning the return of the marbles came from members
of the British Parliament during World War II. Moreover, there are many cases
where the greek claim is strongly supported by British citizens... This is not
a controversy between the Greeks and the Britons but a demand of a whole nation
to the officials of the British museum in the name of justice and friendship
between the two countries... Thank you for taking the time to read this message,
Evi
joanna from australia ( - ) left the
following message:
It is great to see that there are people out there really trying to make a difference
in the world. im not happy at all with the British Museum and Government. I
am Greek myself and for years have been unhappy with what is happening. i am
also studying year 12 and doing my major on the Parthenon Marbles and the fact
that they should be returned to the homeland!
CARLOS TOLEDO from MEXICO ( CARPERL@HOTMAIL.COM
) left the following message:
ENGLAND? FIRST WORLD???? YOU KIDDING ME... WHATS THIEVE? WELL ITS THE PERSON
WHO TAKES SOMETHING AND HE NEVER GIVE IT BACK.... EVEN WHEN HE K-N-O-W-S THAT
IT DONT BELONG TO HIM.......
THAT`S EXACTLY ENGLAND IS.......ITS AMAZING, THAT ALL THE EYES OF THE WORLD
ARE OVER THEM , AND THEY DONT CARE...... I BEEN IN GREECE, AND I FELT TERRIBLE
WHEN THE GREEK MUSEUM GUIDE TOLD ME THAT IF I WANT SEE THE MARBLES OF THE
PARTHENON, I MUST GO TO ENGLAND..... WHATTTTTTTT? I SAID..... NEVER! HERE
ITS GREECE , AND IF I WANT SEE SOMETHING OF GREECE THE PLACE TO BE ITS GREECE!
SHIT! IT MAKES ME MAD! ENGLAND? FIRST WORLD? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! WHATTA
JOKE. HERE IN THE THIRD WORLD WE KNOW WHATS WRONG AND WHATS FINE. ITS THIS
HARD TO UNDERSTAND, ENGLAND? RETARDS.... CARLOS TOLEDO
sarah pressey from UK ( sarahpressey@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
The British Museum officials should all be thrown into prison for handling (
and most blatantly ) stolen goods. Knowing full well that the "goods" were obtained
under extremely suspicious circumstances, all arguments along the lines of "they
are being well looked after" are irrelevant. A thief is still a thief whether
he looks after his unlawfully obtained goods or not.
Antonis from Hellas ( a_koronaios@yahoo.com
) left the following message:
Hello to all of you! I don't want to go back in history and talk about justice
and democracy.The only thing I want to tell its,return OUR marbles!And don't
forget the world should be different if Hellas and it's culture wasn't existing.
Thank you!
Julio from Spain ( juliojiji@navegalia.com
) left the following message:
En primer lugar quiero felicitaros por vuestra web, y animaros a seguir luchando
por la devoluciσn de lo que os ha sido robado. No voy a escribir aqui ni una
palabra mas en exponer las muchas razones por las que los mαrmoles del Partenon
tienen que ser devueltos. Lo que si os propongo es que en funciσn de la postura
y forma de accion del gobierno Griego (que desconozco) es encauzar el esfuerzo
de todos para una soluciσn POLITICA al problema. Los ingleses han demostrado
a lo largo de su historia ser unos ladrones a escala mundial y con amables cartas
a sus dirijentes no se conseguira nada si la postura de su gobierno es la actual.
La solucion al problema debe pasar por la presion politica, y que en caso de
que el gobierno griego no este haciendo todo lo posible, es al gobierno griego
al que hay que convencer. Solo con negociaciones entre los dos gobiernos lo
conseguireis. Ademas aprovechando la celebracion de los Juegos Olimpicos de
2004, teneis una ocasion inmejorable para llamar la atencion de la opion publica
de todo el mundo. Animo.
ALEXANDROS from HELLAS ( AKAIKOUSIDIS@YAHOO.COM
) left the following message:
DEAR FRIENDS, SUPPORTERS OR NOT, FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD,
I AM A GREEK, CURRENTLY LIVING IN NEW YORK. I'VE SPENT MORE THAN ONE HOUR
READING MOST OF THE MESSAGES ON THIS SITE. WITHOUT OFFENDING OR ABUSING ANYBODY'S
TIME, I HAVE UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING, IF THE MARBLES WERE
STOLEN, BOUGHT OR GIVEN AS A GIFT. I WOULD SUGGEST EVERYONE (INCLUDING MYSELF)
TO LOOK FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT THE CERTAIN FACT, IT WOULD HELP US UNDERSTAND
THINGS BETTER AND GIVE AN OPINION THAT IS BASED ON TRUTH AND LOGIC. I 100%
SUPPORT MY COUNTRY FOR ITS RIGHTS, IT IS A DREAM FOR ME TO GO BACK TO THE
ACROPOLIS SOMEDAY AND SEE THE WHOLE BEAUTY TOGETHER. I HATE ALL THE POLITICAL
GAMES AND INTERESTS THAT EFFECT EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES, ALL OVER THE WORLD.
IT BECAME A LITTLE CONFUSING TO ME TO READ ALL THESE DIFFERENT (EMOTIONAL
OR RATIONAL) OPINIONS ABOUT THE MARBLES OF THE PARTHENON, BUT AS A GREEK,
I AM FOLLOWING THE EMOTIONAL SIDE OF THIS CAMPAIGN. I BELIEVE THAT THE BRITISH
MUSEUM OUGHT TO RETURN THE "TREASURES" BACK TO GREECE, IF NOT FOR GOOD, IT
WOULD BE AN AMAZING "TRIP" FOR THEM TO "FEEL AT HOME" FOR A WHILE (I AM JUST
TRYING TO BE POETICAL). MY FRIEND, WHO COMES FROM BRAZIL, ALSO SUPPORTS THIS
CAMPAIGN. I HOPE THIS EFFORT WILL COME ABOUT VERY SOON. MELINA WOULD BE VERY
PROUD OF US...
THANK YOU,
ALEXANDROS.
Ilario Moneti from Italia ( ilariomoneti@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
I marmi del Partenone, legittimamente richiesti dallo Stato Ellenico, debbono
ritornare ad Atene non appena saranno creati gli spazi museali adeguati per
la sicurezza delle opere e per la loro frubilitΰ. Nθ prima, nθ dopo ciς.
Julio Fernαndez from Espaρa ( Ozimandias@iespana.es
) left the following message:
He estado en Atenas y no en Londres. He visto El Partenon. Solo envidio a mi
novia por una cosa: ella ha estado en Londres y no en Atenas. Algun dia entendere
porque ella ha visto los marmoles y yo no. El legado del mediterraneo no deberia
estar en manos de unos barbaros.
Nohemν Lσpez Nϊρez from Mιxico ( nohem88@latinmail.com
) left the following message:
Desde pequeρa me sentν atraida por la increible mitologνa griega, y desde enteonces
comencι a estudiar y a maravillarme con la Grecia antigua. Lo que los griegos
dejaron es un legado para el mundo entero, sus frisos y esculturas tienen la
capacidad de transmitir tanta fuerza y misterio aϊn vistas en un libro, me imagino
que vistas en vivo son capaces de transmitir aϊn mαs, pero siempre serαn capaces
de contarnos la verdadera historia griega si se encuentran en el entorno donde
fueron creadas y pensadas: en la prodigiosa tierra griega, no en museos, ni
en exposiciones, sino en su lugar original en los inmortales templos griegos.
Gracias Grecia por todo lo que aϊn eres capaz de dar, que aϊn el tiempo se ha
maravillado ante tν.
Kasandra Lucille Stuart-31 from United States ( sandybanks31@yahoo.com
) left the following message:
I Believe the Parthenon Marbles belong in Greece, they are from Greece, they
belong there. Be it British Opportunists that would keep the misgained "fortunes
of war", will they also keep the memories of the bloody killings and terrorism
that begot them the Marbles? I would appeal to the Brits sence of humanity,
if indeed they have any, in that they would not like it if some other country
did it to their Master Artists! Also perhaps that Prince Phillip's father left
no other memories of legacy, lonely is he??????? Ouch!!!
ΟΛΓΑ ΔΑΝΙΗΛΙΔΟΥ from ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ( olgadan@in.gr
) left the following message:
ΠΙΣΤΕΥΩ ΟΤΙ ΤΟ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟ ΚΡΑΤΟΣ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΝΑ ΑΝΑΛΑΒΕΙ ΜΙΑ ΣΥΝΤΟΝΙΣΜΕΝΗ ΠΡΟΣΠΑΘΕΙΑ
ΣΕ ΣΥΝΕΡΓΑΣΙΑ ΜΕ ΔΙΕΘΝΟΥΣ ΦΟΡΕΙΣ ΓΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΕΠΙΣΤΡΟΦΗ ΤΩΝ ΜΑΡΜΑΡΩΝ. ΜΕΜΟΝΩΜΕΝΕΣ
ΠΡΩΤΟΒΟΥΛΙΕΣ ΔΕΝ ΦΑΙΝΕΤΑΙ ΝΑΑ ΕΧΟΥΝ ΚΑΝΕΝΑ ΑΠΟΤΕΛΕΣΜΑ.Η ΥΠΟΘΕΣΗ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΠΟΛΥ ΣΟΒΑΡΗ
ΚΑΙ ΙΣΩΣ ΘΑ ΠΡΕΠΕ ΝΑ ΜΕΣΟΛΑΒΗΣΕΙ ΤΟ ΔΙΕΘΝΕΣ ΔΙΚΑΣΤΗΡΙΟ ΤΗΣ ΧΑΓΗΣ, ΔΙΟΤΙ Η ΑΡΠΑΓΗ
ΤΩΝ ΜΑΡΜΑΡΩΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΑΠΟΤΕΛΕΣΜΑ ΛΗΣΤΕΙΑΣ ΑΠΟ ΤΗΝ ΣΤΙΓΜΗ ΠΟΥ ΟΙ ΑΛΗΘΙΝΟΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ
ΚΑΙ ΟΧΙ ΟΙ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΕΣ ΔΕΝ ΣΥΝΑΙΝΕΣΑΝ ΠΟΤΕ ΓΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΠΑΡΑΔΩΣΗ ΤΟΥΣ. Η ΕΘΝΙΚΗ ΥΠΟΣΤΑΣΗ
ΕΝΟΣ ΛΑΟΥ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΑΜΕΣΑ ΣΥΝΥΦΑΣΜΕΝΗ ΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΠΟΛΙΤΙΣΤΙΚΗ ΠΑΡΑΔΟΣΗ ΤΟΥ. ΚΑΝΕΝΑΣ ΛΑΟΣ
ΔΕΝ ΕΧΕΙ ΔΙΚΑΙΩΜΑ ΝΑ ΣΦΕΤΕΡΙΖΕΤΑΙ ΤΟΝ ΠΟΛΙΤΙΣΜΟ ΑΛΛΟΥ ΛΛΑΟΥ ΕΠΕΙΔΗ ΔΕΝ ΕΧΕΙ
ΑΝΑΛΟΓΗ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑ. ΑΛΛΑ ΚΑΙ ΕΜΕΙΣ ΟΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΝΑ ΣΥΝΕΙΔΗΤΟΠΟΙΗΣΟΥΜΕ ΤΗΝ
ΑΞΙΑ ΤΟΥ ΠΟΛΙΤΙΣΜΟΥ ΜΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΝΑ ΕΥΑΙΣΘΗΤΟΠΟΙΗΘΟΥΜΕ ΟΛΟΙ ΓΙΑ ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑ ΑΥΤΟ.ΠΡΕΠΕΙ
ΝΑ ΧΤΙΣΤΟΥΝ ΚΑΙΝΟΥΡΙΑ ΜΟΥΣΕΙΑ ΓΙΑ ΝΑ ΣΤΕΓΑΣΟΥΝ ΤΟ ΠΛΗΘΟΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΡΧΑΙΟΤΗΤΩΝ ΠΟΥ
ΠΟΛΛΕΣ ΦΟΡΕΣ ΜΕΝΟΥΝ ΚΑΤΑΧΩΝΙΑΣΜΕΝΑ ΣΕ ΑΠΟΘΗΚΕΣ. ΕΙΝΑΙ ΧΡΕΟΣ ΜΑΣ Η ΔΙΑΤΗΡΗΣΗ
ΚΑΙ Η ΕΠΑΝΑΦΟΡΑ ΤΗΣ ΧΑΜΕΝΗΣ ΠΟΛΙΤΙΣΤΙΚΗΣ ΚΛΗΡΟΝΟΜΙΑΣ ΜΑΣ ΑΛΛΙΩΣ ΠΟΙΟΣ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ
ΝΑ ΛΕΓΟΜΑΣΤΕ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ;ΕΠΙΣΗΣ ΣΑΣ ΠΑΡΑΚΑΛΩ ΘΕΡΜΑ ΝΑ ΜΗΝ ΑΦΗΝΕΤΕ ΒΑΡΒΑΡΟΥΣ ΠΟΥ
ΟΥΔΕΜΙΑ ΣΧΕΣΗ ΕΧΟΥΝ ΜΕ ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑ ΝΑ ΑΜΑΥΡΩΝΟΥΝ ΤΙΣ ΣΕΛΙΔΕΣ ΤΗΣ ΙΣΤΟΣΕΛΙΔΑΣ ΜΕ
ΑΝΑΞΙΟΠΡΕΠΗ ΚΑΙ ΑΙΣΧΡΑ ΜΗΝΥΜΑΤΑ. ΣΑΣ ΕΥΧΑΡΙΣΤΩ ΠΟΛΥ, ΟΛΓΑ ΔΑΝΙΗΛΙΔΟΥ, ΦΙΛΟΛΟΓΟΣ.
Julie Small from Australia ( juliesmall@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
I wholeheartedly agree with the return of the marbles. However, once this precedent
is set the flood gates will be open. I've been to the British Museum..it's a
momument to a nation of pillagers. If they give back the Marbles other nations
will call for the return of indigenous artifacts and art and hey presto, the
British Museum will be all but empty....souless, a little like the country itself.
Perfect!
kelly from usa ( hamiltonkelly@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
I am doind a project for my western civ class about the parthenon and I stumbled
across this website. I think it's sad that these two countries can't agree on
what to do with the marbles. the marbles belong in their home, which is Greece
at the parthenon. If the British believe that they can keep the marbles restored,
good for them. If the marbles are returned to Greece and fade with age and weather,
fine. That's what's meant to be. It will be sad, if they do srumble. But leaving
them up for display ni a country that they don't belong in is even worse. amazing
website, very informative! Best of Luck~
Charalampos Drandakis from Hellas ( drandakis@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
The present website is a very good reflection of the wishes and beliefs of not
only the Hellenes but of all civilised and cultured people throughout the globe.
This is my firm conviction. I congratulate you for this effort and I am certain
that it will not be in vain. Our English friends must realise that actions of
the past, nomatter if allegedly legitimate at the time (not that the theft of
the marbles was ever legit), do not sanction a continuous status quo that offends
the cultural and national identity of a nation. I am glad to see that many of
our English friends keep an open mind, and I congratulate them for it.
As for the others, they must realise that Empires are not remembered by the
loot gathered. They are neither envied for it, nor admired. Just hated and
acknowledged as barbarian dominions of the past (...and until they return
other nations' heritage to their rightful owners, of the present too)
CHRISTINA PLIAKOU from GREECE ( xristina4ever@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
Αγαπητοί φίλοι, είμαι ιδιαίτερα χαρούμενη που επιτέλους βρήκα ένα site,οργανωμένο
και αρκετά ενημερωμένο για τα μάρμαρα του Παρθενώνα.Η προσπάθεια σας είναι εξαιρετική
και σας συγχαίρω για αυτό. Το θέμα είναι πως τα μάρμαρα είναι ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ,και δε
χωράει αμφιβολία περί τούτου.Η προσπάθεια χρειάζεται όμως να είναι ειλικρινής
και να υπάρχει ανταπόκριση από όλους τους Έλληνες για το σκοπό αυτό, διότι τα
μάρμαρα του Παρθενώνα είναι μέρος της πολιτιστικής μας κληρονομιάς και ίσως
η σημαντικότερη έκφραση αυτής.Τα μάρμαρα του Παρθενώνα ανοίκουν στην Ελλάδα,
ανοίκουν στους Έλληνες.Η επιστροφή τους πρέπει να γίνει όσο το δυνατόν πιο σύντομα,
πόσο μάλλον και ενόψιν των ολυμπιακών αγώνων του 2004, μέσω των οποίων η Ελλάδα
προβάλλει τον πολιτισμό της. Καλούμε τον καθένα από εμάς και όποιον θέλει να
βοηθήσει σε αυτή την προσπάθεια του ελληνικού γένους!!!
IRINA STAJCIC from CROATIA ( irinastajcic@yahoo.com
) left the following message:
Dear friends, I just wanted to strongly support the Greek government and the
idea of the returning the Parthenon marbles to Greece and Athens! Unfortunately,
although is obviously that Greek government have a right, I don't believe that
British government will give back any of the Greek treasure. It is very hard
to stand that fact even for those which are not the Greeks. In the case that
British will give back Greek treasures to Greece, they will have the same obligation
to the other countries and after all they can close the British museum. (Actually,
what is realy British in the British museum?) I hope and I want to believe that
miracles are possible and that for the Olympic games in Athens 2004, the beautiful
Parthenon will be completed again and forever and in the name of all the people
with a strong sense of modern democratic, more justic, more civilized world.
I wish all success to Evengelos Venizelos, the Greek minister of culture, and
to Georgos Papandreu, the Greek minister of foreign affairs!
NA EISTE KALA! Irina
Will from America the Terrorized ( funkydoda@mac.com
) left the following message:
The marbles, in my oppinion, aren't in any more danger in Athens than they
are in England. I know for a fact that there is a museum very close to the
Parthenon that houses many of the original carvings and statues etc. from
the original temple, and since trying to put the marbles back onto the Parthenon
would be kind of risky, they would probably remain within the saftey of the
museum. Not only would the marbles be maintained whithin the museum, but tourists
would be able to see them up close, take pictures, whatever suits their fancy.
Also, having the marbles within walking distance from the Parthenon would
make more sense and would make them more special than having them all the
way in England where they would turn into just another Greek sculpture.
Moises Campos Romano from Mιxico D.F. ( moisesfyl@prodigy.net.mx
) left the following message:
ANNA from POLAND ( NONE ) left the
following message:
THE MARBLES BELONG IN GREECE NOT IN ENGLAND IT IS DISCUSTING THAT THEY STILL
MANAGE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM. ONE DAY IT WILL COME
BACK TO KICK THEM IN THE "ARSE" I GUESS THERE WASNT A LOT OF MANNERS TAUGHT
IN ENGLAND. GIVE BACK WHAT IS NOT YOURS
Tim Daly from England ( prof@leeds56.freeserve.co.uk
) left the following message:
Everyone that contacts you on this website shares the common desire to see the
Parthenon Marbles returned to their rightful home and I find it heartwarming
to know that there are others who believe as strongly as I do that looting the
essence of a country's culture and history is simply not acceptable.Until they
are returned,you have my wholehearted support.
Mike Prince from USA ( blind329@aol.com
) left the following message:
I think one of the simplest arguments makes the most sense... You didn't make
them! Britain is always destroying some culture ie: India, Native America. It
reminds me of the bully stealing the little kid's lunch money. I can't see how
anyone could support the marbles being in the UK. Send 'em back to Greece!!
Norka J. Blanco from Venezuela. ( carontisa@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
Hola: Escribo desde Venezuela,para expresarles toda mi solidaridad,por el gran
trabajo que estan haciendo,el retorno del patrimonio de Grecia debe ser una
lucha permanente, no desmayen, ‘Adelante!.Lo que es de Grecia debe,por justicia,
retornar a ella. Norka.
katrin from greece, cyprus ( n/a )
left the following message:
i want to say once more that yes the marbles should return to threir home once
and for all!!! greece will never be the same without them!! i could write for
ever about this topic, but the point is that greeks need their cultural heritage
and no-one can take it from us!!!! thanks for your support
George Dedes from USA ( geodedes@aol.com
) left the following message:
I can only echo the many prior messages on this site supporting the return of
the Parthenon Marbles to their rightful place of origin... Greece, the birthplace
of Western civilisation, philosophy, democracy, etc., as we know them today.
The Parthenon is THE singular symbol of this nation and of its many incredible
contributions to the world, and as such, its importance and integrity should
not be underestimated. While the circumstances under which the British Museum
came by the Marbles (rightfully or wrongfully) are but historical fact, it is
a travesty that modern-day Britain continues to hold on to what are arguably
some of the most important national and cultural treasures of the Hellenic people.
It's unfathomable that the British people would stand to have Britain's crown
jewels, the Stone Henge liths, the Tower of London or the Tower Bridge in the
national museum of some other country. Why would it be any less reasonable or
just for the Greek people to expect that integral parts of the ONE monument
that is synonymous with the Greek identity and the Greek nation be returned
to its rightful home.
Clearly, history is full of many injustices... and many much greater than
this one. However, while history can't be changed, it oftentimes CAN be righted.
It is therefore incumbent upon the British government (and upon the world
community and the British people to demand of their government) to take the
only right and moral action in the end... return the Parthenon Marbles to
their homeland, where they belong. Technical issues of ownership, fear of
precedent-setting, etc. aside, most people of the world (including the great
people of Britain) would likely agree today that the Marbles should have never
been removed from Greece to begin with, and that they should most certainly
be returned. The British government now has the opportunity and sole discretion
to do the right thing. Let us continue urging them to do so, and sooner than
later.
George Dedes, a Greek expat living in Los Angeles
AΒΡΑ ΑΥΔΗ from ΕΛΛΑΣ ( avra@cy.net.gr
) left the following message:
Είμαι φιλόλογος και συμμετείχα στην ομάδα σύγγραφής των βιβλίων "Έκφραση-Έκθεση
για το Λύκειο". Η ομάδα μας έκρινε ότι η ενημέρωση των μαθητών σχετικά με το
θέμα των "Μαρμάρων του Παρθενώνα" έχει μεγάλη σημασία, και για αυτό το λόγο
συμπεριέλαβε απόσπασμα από το δοκίμιο του Σεφέρη "Πάντα πλήρη θεών", καθώς και
άλλα σχετικά με το θέμα κείμενα στο βιβλίο της Γ΄Λυκείου. Ελπίζουμε ότι έτσι
δίνεται μια ευκαιρία, μέσω της εκπαίδευσης, να προβληματιστούν οι νέοι άνθρωποισχετικά
με τη σημασία της πολιτισμικής μας κληρονομιάς και να αγωνιστούν υποστηρίζοντας
το δίκαιο αίτημα της χώρας μας για την επιστροφή των μαρμάρων.
tzortzi maria from italia ( mar_tzo@yahoo.com
) left the following message:
eimai ellhnida alla menw sthn italia.thelw na ginw melos ths prospatheias gia
thn epistrofh twn marmarwn sthn ellada.pisteuw oti oloi mazi mporoume na kanoume
kati.egw apo thn pleura mou ston xwro tou panepisthmiou prospathw me fulladia
kai diakurhkseis na enhmerwsw tous sumfoithtes mou.den kserw an tha kataferw
kati omws mprosta s'auth thn adikia den mporw na meinw ametoxh...
antonio losada marful from espaρa ( losada_e2_@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
podiais devolverlos y tal.......
Elias from Greece ( mars2108@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
I am completely insulted by the selfishness of the people that are fighting
for these treasures to stay in the British Museum. These politicians have clearly
no argument and are acting in childish ways just to get what they want. It shows
lack of respect, understanding and knowledge of what humanity is all about.
I think they should take into account the things the Ancient Greek World have
taught us about architecture, philosophy and most of all democracy and to return
these stolen artifacts to Athens at once. Greece is an Ancient country that
has been through so much and now is finally getting back on its feet and the
people of Greece have never been so proud of it as they are today.
Alan Spencer from UK ( spencerag@dsl.pipex.com
) left the following message:
You only have to visit the Acropolis once to become aware the Elgin marbles
do NOT belong to the British Museum. On completion of the new museum in Athens,
the marbles should be returned immediately to their rightful owners.
Athanasios Pispas from Sweden ( a.pispas@telia.com
) left the following message:
Simply, the marbles belongs to Greece, and its people
vassiliki fotopoulou from greece ( luosi.otenet.gr
) left the following message:
ΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΕΥΧΗ ΤΗΣ ΟΣΟ ΤΟ ΔΥΝΑΤΟΝ ΠΙΟ ΣΥΝΤΟΜΗΣ ΕΠΙΣΤΡΟΦΗΣ ΤΩΝ ΜΑΡΜΑΡΩΝ..ΘΕΡΜΑ ΣΥΓΧΑΡΗΤΗΡΙΑ
ΓΙΑ ΤΗ ΔΟΥΛΕΙΑ ΣΑΣ!ΕΛΠΙΖΩ ΝΑ ΒΡΕΙ ΚΑΙ ΑΛΛΟΥΣ ΜΙΜΗΤΕΣ & ΥΠΟΣΤΗΡΙΧΤΕΣ..ΔΙΑΦΗΜΙΣΤΕ
ΠΕΡΙΣΣΟΤΕΡΟ ΤΗΝ ΙΣΤΟΣΕΛΙΔΑ & ΤΟ ΣΚΟΠΟ ΠΟΥ ΕΠΙΤΕΛΕΙ..ΜΕ ΕΚΤΙΜΗΣΗ ΒΑΣΙΛΙΚΗ ΦΩΤΟΠΟΥΛΟΥ
,ΦΟΙΤΗΤΡΙΑ ΟΙΚΟΝΟΜΙΚΟΥ
Salla Maria from Finland ( skaaronen@yahoo.com
) left the following message:
Does Britain still think it's the centre of the world? Why should they have
marbles that rightfully belong to Greece and the Greek people? It's really that
simple. I thought they teach that in nurseries already:
'Don't take something that belongs to somebody else'.
However, this doesn't seem to apply to these politicians who want to be the
'kings of the hill' eventhough in their private life they don't give a jack
about where the marbles are, and what anyone does with them...Well done British
Government! Once again you have astonished us with your brilliance! Anyway,
why are the Greek marbles in the British Museum? Isn't that a paradox in itself?
Daniele from ITALIA ( iltocone@hotmail.com
) left the following message:
L'Italia come la Grecia e un grande paese di arte e di storia millenaria. Purtroppo
i nostri immensi patrimoni artistici sono stati troppe volte saccheggiati e
deturpati dagli invasori di turno. Credo sia davvero assurdo che per vedere
i marmi piω belli dell'antichitΰ Greca si debba andare a Londra. I marmi rappresentano
il passato dell'umanitΰ intera, solo i Greci e solo in quelle terre cosμ miti
e ridenti potevano nascere sculture cosμ armoniose belle talmente tanto da reppresentare
la perfezione per eccellenza, cosa che in natura non esiste. Quei marmi sono
stati fatti sotto la guida degli dei; solo in Grecia acquistano e conservano
tutto il loro valore. INGLESI RESTITUITE I MARMI SAREBBE UN GESTO DI ENORME
CIVILTA' E D'AMORE PER L'ARTE.
Haroula from Australia ( zavkos@bigpond.com
) left the following message:
I would like to add my support for the restitution of the Parthenon Marbles
to their rightful environment. That being, of course in Athens, where these
awe inspiring monuments were conceived and bought to fruition. The British Museum
no legal, moral, political, historical or justified reason to keep these works
of art in its stronghold. Arguments that have previously been put forward by
the aforementioned institution and it's governing body, the British Government,
have in many cases been incorrect and misleading. These arguments are slowly
being dismantled and the truth realised (with the help of websites such as this
raising awareness of the issue).
It is my hope that this reality and the change in public opinion will allow
the restitution of the Parthenon Marbles to occur. It is my pledge that I
will keep trying for this until such a day arrives. I urge all the supporters
reading this to sign the online petition at www.parthenonuk.com (Go to the
"How Can I Help" heading), for those living in the UK, I urge you to write
to your local member and most importantly never give up hope Get involved
and stay involved. Demand their return.
Regards
Haroula
Diego Acerbi from Argentina ( diego_acerbi@hotmal.com
) left the following message:
Llegue casi por casualidad a este sitio, soy sσlo un curioso del mundo griego,
un curioso demasiado reciente, y aquν me enterι de la cuestiσn de los mαrmoles.
Pongo en consideraciσn de los responsables del sitio y de los calificados visitantes
mi modesta, desordenada y mal redactada opiniσn.
Los mαrmoles serαn devueltos sσlo cuando la sociedad inglesa, en este caso,
sepa de quι se trata. Es la primera idea que me surge.
Lamentablemente la virtud del pueblo griego, el mas amado de todos, consiste
en habernos legado un inmenso patrimonio cultural, la historia, la filosofνa,
el arte, todo lo inventaron, joyas estas que no suelen tener su merecida importancia
en nuestras sociedades.
Asν las cosas, en tanto el ciudadano medio en Inglaterra lo ignore o simplemente
no le importe, la cuestiσn serα resuelta por cuatro o cinco especialistas,
quienes a su voluntad y respondiendo quizαs a sus propios intereses; con argumentos
legales tratarαn de justificar el despojo. Y aquν me pregunto, Ώcomo piensa
el ciudadano medio griego?, Ώconoce el tema?, Ώle importa?
Supongo, y no lo se con certeza pero imagino, que cuando ese ciudadano medio
deje de ver a esas piezas como solo cosas viejas, y pondere su importancia
con justicia, en ese momento el gobierno inglιs y sus tesoreros culturales,
que no son para nada idiotas, ni necios, sabrαn que ha llegado el tiempo de
redimirse, de generar un hecho digno, que no solo reparare el daρo, sino que
contribuya su propia grandeza.
Quizαs, es demasiado difνcil tratar de obtener los mαrmoles de ese modo,
pero estoy convencido de que serνa la garantνa para que futuros pueblos no
sufran futuros latrocinios, ni futuros pueblos carguen con el peso de los
de sus gobiernos.
Me gustarνa, de ser posible, obtener acuse de recibo, desde ya muchas gracias
por permitirme opinar, y es mi sincero deseo que la causa que los convoca,
tenga pronto un resultado favorable.
Lois Gowen from United States ( lgowen@pacbell.net
) left the following message:
Susan Martin from U.S.A. ( mysticpoet@stribmail.com
) left the following message:
The Parthenon Marbles belong in Greece. There is no question about it. Just
because they were "bought" from the Turks, people who did not rightfully own
the Marbles in the first place, means nothing. The Marbles are the Cultural
Property of the Greek People. Period!
The British government and the British people should be ashamed of themselves
for not only stealing the Parthenon Marbles, but for centuries of imperialism,
colonialism, and cultural genocide all around the world. Look at what the
British did to the people of Ireland! India! China! More! Look what they did
to the native peoples of so many countries, destroying their identities and
brainwashing them to believe in hollow British values! It is easier to name
countries that were not touched by the dirty British crown! And to this day,
the people and cultures ruined by the British are still recovering from the
damage- physical, psychological, and cultural.
Not only should the British return the Marbles of Greece, they should return
everything else they have stolen over the years in the name of their self-righteousness.
If that leaves their museum empty, whose fault is that? Why don't they fill
their "British" Museum with actual _British_ works of art and culture instead?
Can't they find any?
Returning the Marbles to Greece should be the first step in a long, long
act of sincere apology and acts of reconciliation by the British. They should
melt down all their holy gold crowns of all their tyrant leaders of the past
and give the money to the poor peoples they have destroyed. The British empire
has done more damage, caused more holocausts around the world, than all the
Hitlers, Stalins, Maos, you-name-it-evil-dictators, COMBINED!!
Return the Greek Parthenon Marbles, British people, so you can begin to remove
the Olympian sized mark of SHAME that tarnishes your souls!
Laura Van Dam from Argentina ( wit_bloem@yahoo.com
) left the following message:
I support the efforts of my loved greek friends.... a nation who has struggled
hard to get free and unfortunately has been looted too many times. The British
defend theirselves, obviously, if they gave the marbles back that would be like
recognizing they have always been looters and pirates.... as my country sadly
know..... my support and love to all greeks.....!!! by the way i own a mailing
list in spanish about greek topics.... cfpitagoras-subscribe@gruposyahoo.com.ar
filakia polla!
Stamαtis Valasiαdis from Hellas ( stvalas@mycosmos.gr
) left the following message:
Mr. Peter Ged from Australia accused Greece of "an attempt to acquire through
deception something that belongs to another." He grounded this accusation on
the basis that "Lord Elgin actually paid money to the government of the day
for the marbles." It is historically proved that this is untrue: Lord Elgin
never paid money to the Ottoman government for the marbles. I know that Mr.
Peter Ged would never believe a Greek saying that, so I'm quoting the words
of a foreigner, also sent to this site:
"Laura from England ( L.Mason@hotmail.com ) left the following message: hum!
Most of this website seems to be about Britain/Greece bashing.Many of you
dont seem to know your history either, a. Elgin did not purchase the marbles
he was granted a letter of authority by the Ottoman government to remove them.
b. The British government bought them from him ten years later under the understanding
that he had obtained them legally with the permission of the, then government.
c. Its not just the British museum which has part of the artifacts that were
removed, its just that its display is the most prodominant, many other articles
are in other European museums. d. The remainder of the artifact are in the
basement of the museum in Athens, why isn't anyone asking why they are not
on display? I think that it is important that we respect a countrys rights
to its cultural property but racist statements are not going to help, neither
is not knowing what your talking about before you start."
I only have to add to Laura's statements that in fact even the letter of
authority that Lord Elgin granted from the Ottoman government hadn't permitted
him to remove anything from the temple: it only permitted him to remove "some
rocks with inscriptions" if he'd find any in the ruins. You can read late
Melina Merkouri's speech in Oxford Union for more information. I know that
Mr. Peter Ged would never believe her either because she was a Greek too.
But I can assure him: no Anglo-saxon ever questioned the historical part of
her speech. I would also like to add to Laura's statements that it's not only
the predominance of the display of the marbles in the British Museum that
makes a difference; it's also their importance: they constitute the major
part of the Parthenon marbles. Finally, the New Museum of the Acropolis will
be ready by the Spring of 2004, so there will be no relevant artifacts left
in the basement of the museum of Athens, if any. So, Mr. Peter Ged, the Greek
government's proposal for the marbles to be returned for the Olympics is not
a proof of a decades' "attempt to acquire through deception something that
belongs to another." It's just a desperate attempt to retrieve something that
belongs to you but is refused to be restituted to its real owners. Because
this isn't a fair world, you know, and nobody can obligate an independent
country to restitute anything even if it was initially illegally acquired.
And maybe the Greek government's decision "to actually acknowledge that Greece
does NOT own the marbles" (so long as they are returned for the Olympics)
is the only way to satisfy the Anglo-saxon egoism and to secure the British
government that nobody would be then able to accuse them as common fences.
John Brittingham from U.S.A. ( moji1@bellsouth.net
) left the following message:
I am not British so I can not apologise for them. I would suggest making a movie
explaining the history of the Parthenon and the consequent looting.
From the documentaries I have seen there is no evidence that the destruction
of the marbles was acceptable at any level. It was an outright rape!
The lack of respect the British Government has shown is a contradiction to
the laws they are elected to uphold. Elgin was a thief.
It is time to heal this wound with the return of the artifacts that belong
to greece.
I pray for their return. Sincerely, John Brittingham
anastassios from HELLAS ( anastassios@freemail.gr
) left the following message:
Μια απο τις αιθουσες του Νεου Μουσείου της Ακροπολης,να ονομασθει τμημα του
Βρεττανικου Μουσειου, προς τιμη του για την φιλοξενια των μαρμαρων για δυο αιωνες
και να μεταφερθουν τα μαρμαρα εκει. Η μεταφορά των μαρμαρων θα γίνει με εξοδα
του Βρεττανικου Μουσειου. Το Βρεττανικο Μουσειο θα αναλαβει την συντηρηση και
προβολη των μαρμαρων χωρις βεβαια να εχει ιδιαιτερο εισητηριο γι΄αυτα. Με αυτο
τον τροπο και τα μαρμαρα θα επιστραφουν στον τοπο που ανηκουν και το Βρεττανικο
Μουσειο δεν θα τα αποχωριστει!
KOUROUPAKIS APOSTOLOS from GREECE ( KOUROUPAKIS@HOTMAIL.COM
) left the following message:
ΝΟΜΙΖΩ ΟΤΙ Η ΕΠΙΣΤΡΟΦΗ ΤΩΝ ΜΑΡΜΑΡΩΝ ΤΟΥ ΠΑΡΘΕΝΩΝΑ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΝΑ ΓΙΝΕΙ ΖΩΗΡΗ ΑΠΑΙΤΗΣΗ
ΤΩΝ ΕΚΑΣΤΟΤΕ ΕΜΠΛΕΚΟΜΕΝΩΝ ΦΟΡΕΩΝ. Η ΚΑΤΑΣΚΕΥΗ ΤΟΥ ΝΕΟΥ ΜΟΥΣΕΙΟΥ ΑΚΡΟΠΟΛΕΩΣ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ
ΝΕ ΕΠΙΤΑΧΥΝΘΕΙ ΟΥΤΩΣ ΩΣΤΕ ΝΑ ΑΠΟΔΕΙΞΟΥΜΕ ΟΤΙ ΕΙΜΑΣΤΕ ΙΚΑΝΟΙ ΚΑΙ ΝΑ ΤΑ ΣΤΕΓΑΣΟΥΜΕ
ΑΛΛΑ ΚΑΙ ΝΑ ΤΑ ΣΥΝΤΗΡΗΣΟΥΜΕ. ΑΠΟΔΙΕΞΗ ΑΛΛΩΣΤΕ ΤΩΝ ΑΥΞΗΜΕΝΩΝ ΙΚΑΝΟΤΗΤΩΝ ΜΑΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ
ΟΙ ΑΝΑΣΤΗΛΩΤΙΚΕΣ ΕΡΓΑΣΙΕΣ ΣΤΟΝ ΒΡΑΧΟ ΤΗΣ ΑΚΡΟΠΟΛΕΩΣ. ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΝΑ ΑΠΑΙΤΟΥΜΕ ΚΑΙ
ΟΧΙ ΝΑ ΖΗΤΑΜΕ, ΣΤΟ ΚΑΤΩ ΚΑΤΩ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΔΙΚΑ ΜΑΣ, ΑΛΛΙΩΣ ΑΣ ΚΑΤΕΒΑΣΟΥΝ ΤΟΝ ΜΗΧΑΝΙΣΜΟ
ΤΟΥ BIG BEN ΝΑ ΤΟΝ ΒΑΛΟΥΜΕ ΚΙ ΕΜΕΙΣ ΣΤΗΝ ΑΚΡΟΠΟΛΗ, ΤΟΣΗ ΣΧΕΣΗ ΘΑ ΕΧΕΙ ΜΕ ΤΟΝ
ΧΩΡΟ ΟΣΟ ΤΑ ΜΑΡΜΑΡΑ ΜΕ ΤΟ ΛΟΝΔΙΝΟ.
MANOS
from GREECE
(
mktintina@hotmail.com
)
left the following message:
AS A GREEK,I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THE MARBLES SHOULD RETURN TO THEIR HOME ,GREECE!BUT,I DON'T THINK THAT IN GREECE,THEY WILL HAVE THE CARE THAT THEY NEED, BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE MOST RESPONSIBLE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
ΝΙΚΟΛΑΟΣ ΝΙΚΟΛΑΟΥ
from ΕΛΛΑΣ
(
nikolaosnikolaou@hotmail.com
)
left the following message:
ΕΠΙΤΕΛΟΥΣ ΔΕΝ ΥΠΑΡΧΕΙ ΔΙΚΑΙΟΛΟΓΙΑ.
ΣΥΝΤΟΜΑ ΤΟ ΝΕΟ ΜΟΥΣΕΙΟ ΤΗΣ ΑΚΡΟΠΟΛΗΣ ΘΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΕΤΟΙΜΟ
ΝΑ ΔΕΧΘΕΙ ΟΤΙ ΩΡΑΙΟΤΕΡΟ ΕΧΕΙ ΦΤΙΑΞΕΙ ΠΟΤΕ ΑΝΘΡΩΠΙΝΟ
ΧΕΡΙ.
ΑΡΚΕΤΑ ΜΕ ΤΟΝ ΞΙΠΑΣΜΕΝΟ ΛΑΟ ΠΟΥ ΠΑΡΑΝΟΜΑ ΚΡΑΤΑΕΙ ΕΝΑ
ΚΟΜΑΤΙ ΤΗΣ ΨΥΧΗΣ ΜΑΣ.
ΧΑΙΡΕ ΦΕΙΔΙΑ, ΠΕΡΙΚΛΗ, ΑΝΑΞΙΜΑΝΔΡΕ
Chris
from Greece
(
cris@otenet.gr
)
left the following message:
ΕΔΩ ΠΟΥ ΤΑ ΛΕΜΕ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΜΟΝΟ ΤΑ ΜΑΡΜΑΡΑ ΤΟΥ ΠΑΡΘΕΝΩΝΑ
ΣΕ ΒΡΕΤΑΝΙΚΟ ΜΟΥΣΕΙΟ ΑΛΛΑ ΚΑΙ ΔΙΑΦΟΡΑ ΚΟΜΑΤΙΑ ΤΗΣ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑΣ ΜΑΣ ΑΝΑ ΤΟΝ ΚΟΣΜΟ. ΚΑΙΡΟΣ Ν'ΑΡΧΙΣΟΥΝ ΛΙΓΟ ΠΟΛΥ
ΝΑ ΤΟ ΣΚΕΦΤΟΝΤΑΙ ΟΛΛΑ ΤΑ ΜΟΥΣΕΙΑ ΟΤΙ ΑΥΤΑ ΠΟΥ ΕΚΛΑΠΗΣΑΝ
ΚΑΙ ΑΥΤΑ ΠΟΥ ΞΕΠΟΥΛΗΘΗΚΑΝ ΜΕ ΚΑΠΟΙΟ ΤΡΟΠΟ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΝΑ ΓΥΡΙΣΟΥΝ ΣΤΟΝ ΤΟΠΟ ΜΑΣ. ΕΙΝΑΙ ΓΕΛΟΙΟ ΑΝΙΣΤΟΡΙΤΟΙ ΝΑ ΠΡΟΣΠΑΘΟΥΝ ΝΑ ΠΡΟΒΛΗΘΟΥΝ ΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΤΕΧΝΗ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΝ ΠΟΛΙΤΙΣΤΙΚΗ ΠΑΡΑΔΟΣΗ ΑΛΛΩΝ ΛΑΩΝ.
ΕΠΙΣΤΡΟΦΗ ΟΛΛΩΝ ΤΩΝ ΑΡΧΑΙΩΤΗΤΩΝ ΜΑΣ ΚΑΤ' ΑΠΑΙΤΗΣΗ.
ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΟΜΩΣ ΝΑ ΓΙΝΕΙ ΕΠΙΤΑΓΉ ΚΑΙ ΣΥΝΕΙΔΗΣΗ ΠΡΩΤΑ ΣΕ ΕΜΑΣ.
Nikos
from Greece
(
petridis@med.auth.gr
)
left the following message:
I would like to unite my own voice to the thousands voices that support the return of the Parthenon marbles(not the "Elgin",as many thoughtlessly say).It's time the British government fullfilleD its duty to the greek people and to the human kind .Because Parthenon isn't a greek monument but a symbol of the human civiligation.It is their least duty to the sacred memory of MELINA MERCOURI.Finishing,I would like to ask something the british government:If a Greek lord had stolen 200 years ago a peace of one of british monuments,a peace of Stonehedge lets say,would they want it back today?
Γ.Χ.Κατρακίλης
from ΕΛΛΑΣ
(
OATH@ATH.FORTHNET.GR
)
left the following message:
Η Ελληνική κυβέρνηση,χωρίς να με ρωτήσει είπε ανερυθριάστως ότι διεκδικεί μόνον τα Παρθενώνεια μάρμαρα.
Όμως,εγώ,δηλώνω τα εξής.
1)Δεν πρόκειται να επισκεφθώ ποτέ τον μιαρότατο τόπο της Αγγλίας.
2)Διεκδικώ όλα τα κλαπέντα από εσάς Ελληνικά μνημεία.
3)Επιπλέον,εγώ δηλώνω ότι ως Έλληνας είμαι Δωδεκαθεϊστής καί τα διεκδικώ,με σκοπό την οργανική
ενσωμάτωσή τους στον Παρθενώνα με σκοπό την επανέναρξη
της λειτουργίας του ως Ιερού περικαλλούς Ελληνικού Ναού.
4)Ζητώ την δημόσια οικονομική,κοινωνική,ηθική,καθώς καί κάθε άλλη δημόσια καί νόμιμη τιμωρία του Έλγιν καί
της οικογενείας του,όσο συτός καί οι απόγονοί του υπάρχουν.Ανεξαρτήτως βαθμού συγγενείας καί σχέσης(εξ αίματος ή εξ αγχιστείας).
5)Δεδομένου του γεγονότος ότι κατά την διάρκεια της
τελέσεως του ΕΓΚΛΗΜΑΤΟΣ η Ελλάς ήταν ΥΠΟΔΟΥΛΗ καί οι
ΤΟΥΡΚΟΙ ήσαν οι ΚΑΤΑΚΤΗΤΕΣ,ΣΑΣ ΚΑΤΗΓΟΡΩ ΩΣ ΑΠΟΔΕΚΤΕΣ
ΠΡΟΪΟΝΤΟΣ ΕΓΚΛΗΜΑΤΟΣ.
6)Προσκαλώ,όσους ανθρώπους έχουν αξιώσεις επιστροφής
από τους διαφόρους κλέπτες των μουσείων,είτε εκλάπησαν
Ελληνικά είτε Αιγυπτιακά είτε Ρωμαϊκά είτε Ινδικά είτε
Κινέζικα είτε Αζτέκικα,ή ακόμη καί μνημεία των Μάγιας,
των Ολμέκων,των Τολτέκων ή καί άλλων λαών μνημεία,να
συγκροτήσουν ένα Παγκόσμιο Συμβούλιο Εθνικών Πολιτιστικών Διεκδικήσεων,με αδιαπραγμάτευτη αξίωση την ΠΛΗΡΗ,ΑΠΟΛΥΤΗ ΚΑΙ ΤΑΧΥΤΑΤΗ ΕΠΙΣΤΡΟΦΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΟΛΙΤΙΣΤΙΚΩΝ ΘΗΣΑΥΡΩΝ ΣΤΗΝ ΧΩΡΑ ΤΟΥΣ.
Οι μόνοι ιδιοκτήτες των πολιτιστικών θησαυρών,είναι οι
λαοί που τα δημιούργησαν καί κανείς άλλος.
Με εξαίρετη τιμή